(Thanks to Steve Adair for the pictures showing a trapdoor Springfield.) i bought a Springfield 45-70 trap door i need some information on reloading the ammo,i have been told to use swift 2f black powder 65 gr. Slight scratch on RHS butt stock. The Springfield Trapdoor rifles and carbines were a series of breech loading rifle and carbine weapons built from 1865 to about 1888, beginning with the Model 1865 and then with other models being introduced every few years. this ramrod is straight and measures a full 35 1/2" with 97-99% original finish present. This test was held on a NJ beach to get the range, and for the sand impact area that would indicate hits. Known as the Rod-Bayonet or Model 1888 Rifle. During the following 20 years quite a big number of Springfield Trapdoor rifles have been manufactured, among them also many versions with smooth barrel for cadets, for the target shooting and destined to the Officers. I don't visit this Forum real often but I do check back every now and then. It bore the bayonet thrust through Crazy Horse, and fired the bullet that killed Sitting Bull. Among its many problems, after prolonged firing, blackpowder residue tended to seize the shell in the chamber, making the weapon useless. I think that this means that the rifle headspace is slightly excessive or that case rims are thinner than they used to be. shooting trapdoor springfield. The function of the hollow base is to expand and seal the base against the rifling. The server has not detected any activity for the last 3 hours. From a hide , about 50 yards. I was casting and reloading for the 30/06 at that time, and bought a Lyman 457191 305 grain mold to make bullets; but couldn't come up with the cash for the reloading dies, shell holder and sizing dies for a while. The gun, in both full-length and carbine versions, was widely used in subsequent battles against the American Indians.. The sight on trapdoor Springfield rifles when in the down position is what is called the battle position. Beautiful colour case hardening. This because maybe, just maybe, the primer might go off prematurely in another gun. ***** A Targetized Trapdoor by John Ryckman John has described how he has altered a .45-70 Springfield trapdoor rifle to optimize its shooting qualities. The Cast Bullet Association is an organization of shooters who enjoy shooting cast lead bullets in rifles and handguns for competition, hunting, or informal target shooting. The resulting .4570 cartridge went on to fame in Winchester and Remington rifles, but in the trapdoor Springfield it was a miserable failure. After the Civil War, Springfield armory won the bid to manufacturer weapons for the US Army. Shooting high at 100 is common; trapdoor battle sights were typically zeroed for 300 yards with the Frankfurt Arsenal cartridge. a 405 grain hallow base bullet and to compress the powder. beautiful preservation! It is safe in all firearms (in good condition) chambered for this caliber. So that's it, the easiest reloading I've ever done, with the absolute minimum of tools and expense. Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by chuck faison, Aug 25, 2009. Mine shot just like Rich-Siegel's. According to my notes, my very pretty 1873 Trapdoor liked the following: Brass: Remington (or Starline or whatever you can find) 35gr IMR 3031 Oregon Trail Laser Cast 405gr (0.459" - my bore slugged 0.460 best I could tell). If you go to the posts and look for strings in my name, you will see my sojourn so far with the Trapdoors. It was a redesign of the Army’s Allin Trapdoor rifle. During the past year I scratched a longstanding itch and bought a nice Mod. Breech block is marked U.S. Model of 1884, Buffington rear sight, inspector cartouche is dated 1888, P ⦠The 1884 Springfield Trapdoor shoots a straight sided, rimmed 45-70 cartridge propelled (traditionally) with 70 grains of black powder. The rifle will be my long range side action gun for SASS competition. I cover how I load compressed loads of 70 grains, and going down to 55 grains of BP. This rifle was in nice condition, with a bright and shiny bore; and cost $40. Keep us posted on your progress because a few of us will be and are interested. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Learn from CBA members that have been casting their entire life. Stormin, depending on the model Trapdoor you have, adjusting your rear sight may be your fix. yes i meant Swiss 2f black powder, some time my fingers and mind don't work together lol. The Springfield Trapdoor held the new, more powerful .45-70 military cartridge. But with black powder you need to avoid allowing an air gap to be present between the base of the bullet and the top of the powder. Joined: Sep 27, 2007 Messages: 10. In fact this very gun was used to almost completely wipe out the largest land mammal in North America. it takes a long eye relief scope, mines a ⦠This is designed to put a bullet on a man sized target somewhere from point blank to about 350 yards. People sometimes refer to the "Sandy Hook Tests" of 1879, where the army tested the Springfield .45-70 Trapdoor at two miles. I was developing loads for a friend's rifle and the shooting high was a pain. The CBA is a international organization of shooters who enjoy casting and shooting lead alloy bullets for competition, hunting, experimenting, and casual shooting. Here's a 45-70 case with the Lee de-capping rod and base, and a mallet to operate them. Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 Next > chuck faison Member. Put a thumb sized piece of toilet paper in the charged case and push it down on the powder with a stick or a pencil to keep the powder in place when loading. Select a load starting around 10 grains and never more than 14 grains of Unique. It battled the Ku Klux Klan throughout the South in the early 1870s and put down labor unrest in Chicago in 1877. Compressing the powder often improves the performance of a lot of black powder loadings. this site specializes in: (1) trapdoor springfield rifles & carbines, 1865-1893; (2) indian war & span-am war: u.s springfield trapdoor arms; (3) 1865-1893 military: bayonets, knives, entrenching tools/trowels, mills & prairie belts, mckeever / dyer pouches & carbine boots. It never hurts to bell the case mouth. 73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia. I don't spend much time on the computer any more.
in 1963. The Springfield rifle is a typical gun of the American soldiers, including General Custer. MP0282 Saddle Bar Ring 1873-1889 Springfield 45/70 Trapdoor Carbine, Spencer Rifle/Carbine, & 1859 - 63 Sharps, 1874 Sharps, & Our Price: $4.95 Compare The Springfield stayed in service until 1893, when it was replaced by the KragâJørgensen bolt-action rifle.
my eyes are still good enough for target with the buffington sights but not to hunt with. If you are shooting a 405 grain hollow base bullet, I would look askance at using an over-powder wad. It equipped the troops also during the Spanish-American War (1898-1899). this ramrod is straight and measures a full 35 1/2" with 97-99% original finish present. luckily there's a guys makes this scope mount. 405 gn loads in the 14-1600 FPS range would be safe in a Trapdoor Springfield IF the rifle has been checked by a gunsmith and determined to be in condition to shoot standard 45-70 ammo. Belling the case mouth seals the case mouth against the chamber and keeps that blow-by from happening. great stuff joeb ... now THAT is reloading in it's true spirit.. reminds me that when i was 12 yrs. Like a 1750 ft-lb of muzzle energy wallop.
He has included a number of ⦠That prevents accurate shooting as for as I am concerned.
Allin was granted a patent for his design on Sept 19th, 1865. the primer seated in the primer pocket. I had a Sharps 1863 carbine converted to 50/70 by the military and it also shot about 14" high at 100 yards but shot dead on at 200 yds. I have a couple Springfield 45-70's, and shoot exclusively black powder by choice. There should be a bit of drag on the empty belled case is chambered, not too much to make the case hard to chamber, just enough so you can feel it drag. A reduced power loading was also adopted for use in the Trapdoor carbine. BECAUSE: * Some modern .45-70 ammo is currently loaded so it is held to the 18,000 CUP pressure limits, and thus is safe in .45-70 trapdoor rifles in good condition. He said the government never liked to change things and the butt plate screws for GI rifles were the same ones that were made for the civil war muskets. The musket barrels were left as they were and utilised .58-calibre, copper-cased rimfire ammunition. Last worked on by Springfield in 1893. Great to shoot, very accurate. It is safe in all firearms (in good condition) chambered for this caliber. The trapdoor,model 1884 is a lot stronger than an Allin conversion and a Number 5 roller should be tougher than a number 1 Sporter. I think this test helped get the 500-grain M1881 bullet and cartridge. The final development in the Trapdoor Springfield story issued to the regular and volunteer U.S. troops. Our 5447 members have posted 77005 times in 4973 discussions. The 1873 US Springfield Trapdoor chambered in.45/70 is a true American classic and perfectly capable of taking large sized game today. http://smg.photobucket.com/user/waksupi/media/P1010001-002_zpsryr4czlr.jpg.html>http://smg.photobucket.com/user/waksupi/media/P1010003-002_zpsrxu7esez.jpg.html>
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