You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. Rapiers and estocs both work of dexterity (after you get piercing grace feat) and are almost the same, but estoc has higher base damage than rapiers (2d4 vs 1d6, 5 vs 3.5 on average). A subreddit for all things involving Pathfinder Kingmaker made by Owlcat Games. There is a badass one you can find called bear claw of the thunder god. Estocs... are hard to quanitfy. Or statism, if you prefer that formulation. I figure if it becomes an issue finding new ones, I'll retrain her. What is the best weapon to infuse with magic or best int scaling weapon in dark souls 3. The rapier had a great drawback when used in armored combat, especially from horseback. The Estoc is a thin, needle-like thrusting blade designed to stab flesh in between the plates of armor. Tuck is the abbreviated English version of the word. What are your opinions for both PvP and PvE? So if you get the Improved Critical feat, the critical threat range increases to 15-20. Rapiers are more focused on a duel. Estoc is a weapon in Dark Souls 2.. A large thrusting sword with a blade. I've done faith with a thrusting sword multiple times and my experience is that you want a divine/occult weapon for running around and a generic +15 for buffs. Take the Estoc to divine instead, for when you don't want to buff. Scimitar. Estoc is also the name given for the sword used by a matador in the Spanish sport of bullfighting, also known as espada de matar toros ('sword for killing bulls'). The estoc has like 1 point of average damage per attack over the rapier, a little more when you consider crits. Insanity is a dish best served with fried rice and jello. So bored I tried killing Midir with a broken straight sword, SL1 NG+7 Midir vs broken broken straight sword. Estoc is in the top 3 pvp weapons with the longsword and the battle axe. Small rapier. Dueling sword is nearly as good on damage, but weaker on crit, and I'm thinking going crit would be better. Apr 17, 2017 - German Estoc, Sword, Rapier, First Half 16th C in Collectibles, Militaria, Pre-1700, Original Period Items | eBay Ropera is a stronger Rapier with oki stamina cost and high requirements, good base damage, ideal for infusions. The narrow hard blades would often not stand up to blows against helmets and armor. Estoc has more length, shield piercing effect, and a special R2. Rapier is weaker than the above two, but has the good crit range, and I'm assuming they should be common as all hell because they're rapiers. They are slow, and deal a high amount of Pierce damage. I'm leaning towards the Rapier since it has a more familiar moveset to me, the same scaling, and only slightly lower base damage at level 15 than the Estoc (less than 10 points' difference). My heart says the longswordsman, but my head says it has to go to the rapier-wielder. However, we should emphasize that the estoc was a military weapon while the slender thrusting rapier was widely recognized as unsuitable for the battlefield. Straight swords definitely outclass rapiers for PvE I’d say, if only because the rapier moveset isn’t very good for PvE. and personally, depending on what your other weapon is, i would not use this as elementals as they scale so well with your stats. Given the intensive work, and the great demand for these pieces, delivery times are sometimes over a year. The Irithyll Rapier is a thrusting sword in Dark Souls III. Take the Estoc to divine instead, for when you don't want to buff. It’s certainly doable to go through the game with them, just be prepared to whiff attacks every now and then because of the moveset and lack of tracking. Only easier choice is falcata (with 2nd DLC). I tested the dmg of the estoc vs rapier and found out that rapier does far more dmg ... as Iam using RobbFlynnLeo ... #8. The word "rapier" generally refers to a relatively long-bladed sword characterized by a complex hilt which is constructed to provide protection for the hand wielding it. Rapier does 26 damage, 206 backstab crit. I've done faith with a thrusting sword multiple times and my experience is that you want a divine/occult weapon for running around and a generic +15 for buffs. The French word estoc translates to thrust. In Symphony of the Night, it is a large two-handed thrusting sword. The primary attack of a thrusting sword is a series of stabs that render foes vulnerable for a devastating final thrust. Why should a small light thrusting sword hit for much more than 200? Simply don't go for trades but outplay your opponent. If you’re not using combatcasting/spell combat and have nothing else in your off hand, you automatically wield some weapons with two hands. Opinions? It's a +5 enhanced finesse wielding weapon with a x3 critical multiplier (normal estocs are x2, if I'm not wrong) and a standard 18-20 critical threat range. Ricard's Rapier makes a joke out of most boss fights when buffed. Building a character, specifically a sword saint. By John Clements & Belinda Hertz. A large thrusting sword with a blade. For the Dark Souls variant, see Rapier. My heart says the longswordsman, but my head says it has to go to the rapier-wielder. Rapier is a Weapon in Dark Souls 3.. A lightweight thrusting sword used in noble duels employing refined techniques. More posts from the Pathfinder_Kingmaker community, Continue browsing in r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker. Loads of experience with Pathfinder but new to Kingmaker, and just trying to decide on the weapon focus. Also, if anyone knows any impact-based weapons useful for dexterity builds, that'd be great. The Estoc features thrust attacks with moderate range and slashes to the side that bypass shields. A rapier is a slender, sharply pointed sword, ideally used for thrusting attacks, used mainly in Early Modern Europe during the 16th and 17th centuries. They are fast, and deal a moderate amount of Pierce damage. You've a fast weapon with fast recoveries and a varied moveset. As everyone has already mentioned, the longsword is indeed a stronger weapon. The Estoc has more synergy with the stone ring too, allowing for it to be better at stunning than the Rapier. Found early in the New Londo Ruins, on a corpse between the Firelink Shrineelevator and the first bridge leading to the rest of the ruins. While the great diversity of cutting and thrusting swords around the world testify to the importance of both cutting and thrusting in fencing, there is something of a pervasive myth of a supposed "superiority" of point over edge in swordplay, and predominantly in European swordplay. Short sword does 31 damage, 128 backstab crit. Some good answers here, but I’d like to highlight an undercurrent: civilization. You can't go wrong with the Swag Sword though the normal Rapier and Estoc are both very good. Gamertag-Kaeporo. Tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. Rapiers are one-handed melee weapons in Pillars of Eternity. The sturdy, slender long blade is designed to pierce the armor of enemies, and its strong attack can even inflict damage upon foes hiding behind shields. Press J to jump to the feed. Though primarily a thrusting sword, its blade can … This stellar example of such a sword … There are a lot of good Dueling Swords but they tend to be behind quite challenging content. The result was a sword with a rapier hilt, but a blade made for military service. Literally git gud. It is noted for its ability to pierce mail armor. Estoc is a weapon in Dark Souls 2. Schlager blades are more akin to what we commonly think of as a real sword blade.They have a flattened diamond cross section and are heavier than an epee blade yet incredibly flexible. Estoc looks silly but is undoubtedly better than the rapier. estoc | rapier | As nouns the difference between estoc and rapier is that estoc is rapier while rapier is a slender, straight, sharply pointed sword (double-edged, single-edged or edgeless). You can buy it from a vendor called Issili who shows up in late game. Also has a 18-20 crit range and is a +4 weapon. While the Estoc's weak attack is slightly slower than those of the other rapiers, it still has a relatively good attack speed. We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. I think the Estoc is better for a strength build and some prefer its moveset but that's about it. The Irithyll Rapier is the only thrusting sword in Dark Souls III with innate auxiliary effect. Estoc does 28 damage, 189 backstab crit. Depends on your playstyle, if you backstab/parry a lot then I'd be tempted to say go to for the Rapier main hand with a shield and SS in the off hand. Are estocs actually quite common and I'm worrying over nothing and should take the obvious option? I tested other weapons and all "thrusting swords" and "daggers" had a higher base backstab, then the crit bonus is applied on top of that. Pathfinder is a tabletop RPG based off of the 3.5 Ruleset of Dungeons and Dragons. The Rapier is a thrusting sword in Dark Souls III. As dex -> damage goes, I’m 100% sure you get the 1.5 mod with dueling swords and deft strike (from sword lord), but don’t know if you get it from Estoc and fencing grace or using an agile estoc. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The moveset just isn’t good for it. It may not have as much counter damage as the Rapier, but Dex scaling is hardly ever useful, so the Estoc can get a little more oomph with its higher strength scaling. The introduction of firearms into warfare was a slow transition with swords and guns appearing on the battle field at the same time. You'll find plenty of Agile rapiers too with various types of damage and such. The small sword or smallsword (also court sword, fr: épée de cour or dress sword) [citation needed] is a light one-handed sword designed for thrusting [citation needed] which evolved out of the longer and heavier rapier of the late Renaissance. Considering how hard it can be to farm a Balder Sword when the Estoc is practically given to you for free, that might be the deciding factor for you. What is the minimum Strength requirement to be able to 2-hand a weapon without penalty? I recall there being a lot of good ones of those too. See also. The main benefit of the estoc is it can be wielded in two hands as a martial weapon, so it is an alternative to the falchion if you want a two hand crit fish build. Estocs are two-handed melee weapons in Pillars of Eternity. The blade might be sharpened along its entire length or sharpened only from the centre to the tip (as described by Capoferro). [citation needed] Pallavicini,[citation needed] a ra… I'd recommend the rapier though, it's really light which makes it excellent as a secondary weapon. and personally, depending on what your other weapon is, i would not use this as elementals as they scale so well with your stats. Rapiers are fine, maybe a little harder to use than ss and they are much worse for ganks and enemies with shield. Functional battle ready rapiers that balance and flex like the originals. The Estoc has the longest reach of all the thrusting swords; in addition, it has a slashing-like attack that deals Regular Damage. Rapier is a Weapon in Dark Souls 3.. A lightweight thrusting sword used in noble duels employing refined techniques. In Aria of Sorrow, Dawn of Sorrow and Curse of Darkness, it is a type of Rapier. Sword & Buckler vs Rapier & Dagger - HEMA - Duration: 20:02. scholagladiatoria 108,129 views. Thrusting Swords are fast, and are mainly used for thrusting.They specialize in piercing attacks and are best used to counter or follow-up an enemy's attack. Are some of the slashing swords better? Sparring bout putting east vs west in both weapon and style. Rapiers are about as common as Dueling Swords but they're typically easier to acquire and probably the earliest weapon type that will give you access to one with the Agile enchantment (use Dex instead of Str for damage). Anything I'm missing? Rapiers are simply vastly inferior. Rapiers are fine, maybe a little harder to use than ss and they are much worse for ganks and enemies with shield. These tempered carbon steel bladed rapier are fully functional and can be used by trained fencers to reenact rapier duels or rapier combat. Still in chapter 1. the feat to get the +2 to AC is nice too. I'm sure that'd be less of a problem if your on a console but for the PC at least, go with the Espada Ropera if your looking for a standard rapier with nothing fucky about it (re: ice rapier). Starship Metal Estoc refers to an unnamed, player-crafted long dagger in the shape of an estoc that is owned by «Sterben» (Death Gun) in Gun Gale Online. Dueling Swords are so-so. We have honed our skills and understanding to a level very few can rival. Among the rapiers, I'm personally rather partial to the Crow's Quills. :D. I think the other issue is being able to wield the 1h weapon with 2hands for the 1.5 [stat] mod damage modifier. I would go with rapier. Same crit range as estoc and all you're getting from an estoc is one damage improvement for minimum damage. There are a lot of good Dueling Swords but they tend to be behind quite challenging content. Also an occult +5 rapier or estoc is downright funny for Gwyn. Estocs, while somewhat rare, have one of the best uniques in the game. A full list of unique items can be found here. The daggers don't do a lot of damage indivudially, but they an rack up a bit if you can hit with more than one of them. Ended up going estoc for now--free exotic weapon proficiency is too cool to pass up for me at the moment. Some good answers here, but I’d like to highlight an undercurrent: civilization. There is a pretty good Estoc called Blinding Light. Estocs... are hard to quanitfy. The Estoc's good reach makes it a flexible weapon. So doing well enough for now. Every time you crit it casts call lightning on the enemy. Sparring bout putting east vs west in both weapon and style. It has a chance to blind on critical. This. Gamertag-Kaeporo. Same reason why I don’t use spears in PvE. Good choice. Many consider the estoc a forerunner of the rapier, but more likely it is a merging of the espada ropera, a civilian sword, with the effective, and lighter estoc, that produced the rapier. The main benefit of the estoc is it can be wielded in two hands as a martial weapon, so it is an alternative to the falchion if you want a two hand crit fish build. What sword would you guys take in battle if you had to choose, not necessarily in game but if you were a knight in the medieval period. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. It has the longest reach of all piercing swords, and the one-handed r2 performs a sweep attack, and the two-handed r2 a long-ranged thrust. It inflicts frost, and its value (55) equals that of theIrithyll Straight Sword. Ricard's Rapier makes a joke out of most boss fights when buffed. The Estoc also deals the most physical damage out of all piercing swords… Functional Rapiers (Battle Ready) Hand Forged Carbon Steel Rapiers. While the blade might be broad enough to cut to some degree (but nowhere near that of the wider swords in use around the Middle Ages), the long thin blade lends itself to thrusting. The French estoc is a type of sword, also called a tuck in English, in use from the 14th to 17th centuries. The estoc has like 1 point of average damage per attack over the rapier, a little more when you consider crits. So both are ok, choose based on your preferences. if you want to go for a pure piercing weapon I would go for ricard's, but if you want a weapon that's a little more versatile, go with the estoc. Ritalinfiend 2 years ago #1. 1500 - 1700. For pvp it depends, the rapier has higher critical damage but the estoc has higher base damage, making it a better choice for turtling. Swords of the Renaissance to The English Civil War This period spans approx. Sword & Buckler vs Rapier & Dagger - HEMA - Duration: 20:02. scholagladiatoria 108,129 views. That's because it's actually meant to be used with two hands. Rapier VS Katana. [citation needed] But the estoc was an effective weapon. ", I definitely think straight swords are better, but for pve rapiers work too, especially if you use weapon buffs. How do they compare in pve vs bosses vs straight swords? Rapier is for the low requirements and low stamina cost. Edit: I totally stand corrected. 1 Availability 2 Characteristics 3 Moveset 4 Upgrades Found in the High Wall of Lothric, on a corpse lying to the left after exiting the small courtyard with a fountain patrolled by a Winged Knight. A Sparring bout between Nick Thomas and Michael Thomas of the Academy of Historical Fencing. So, although the Windlass estoc is a lethal weapon, with a blade significantly stiffer than that of my Windlass Steelcrafts German Rapier, it is not as stiff as original estocs are reported to be. However, consider that the Estoc can be used behind a shield and comes with the rapier bonus to criticals. Go Dueling Sword and dip one level in Swordlord to get DEX to damage. There are a lot of excellent rapiers easily found in the game while Estocs... Not as much. Rapiers are about as common as Dueling Swords but they're typically easier to acquire and probably the earliest weapon type that will give you access to one with the Agile enchantment (use Dex instead of Str for damage). A Rapier (/ ˈ r eɪ p i ər /) or Espada ropera is type of sword with a slender and sharply-pointed two-edged blade that was popular in Western Europe, both for civilian use (dueling and self-defense) and as a military side arm, throughout the 16th and 17th centuries.. It has a fair base damage and moderate scaling, and has better range than the Rapier. 1 Availability 2 Characteristics 3 Moveset 4 Notes 5 Upgrades 6 Videos Guaranteed drop from the Boreal Outrider Knight in Lothric Castle. Moreover, these weapons served different needs, aren't really interchangeable and developed independently alongside … I played as an assassin and got the estoc. 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